We’ve talked a lot on the show recently about the wildfires raging in the western United States and darkening skies all over the country. How climate change makes the fire season longer and more intense, how prevention tactics like prescribed burns can get held up, and about the inmates on the front lines in California. But one thing we haven’t talked about much is housing.

Where and how we build our homes is one of the reasons wildfires have gotten bigger, more damaging and more deadly over time. So while Marketplace housing reporter Amy Scott is filling in for Kai Ryssdal, we’re going to dig into that and what we can do about it. Your vocab term for the day is “wildland-urban interface” (wait until you hear the acronym).

Here to talk about WUIs, building materials, fire prevention and more is Kimiko Barrett. She’s a wildfire researcher at the nonprofit Headwaters Economics. She’ll help us do the numbers on communities at risk and guide us through the “wildfire paradox” that protects homes … until it doesn’t.

Later, we’ll talk about Civvl, the “Uber for evictions,” and connect the dots between women leaving the workforce because of COVID-19 and the work Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg did in the early part of her career. Plus, Gretchen Goldman answers the Make Me Smart question. She’s the research director for the Center for Science and Democracy at the Union of Concerned Scientists, but you might know her from her recent viral photo:

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Here’s some additional reading and everything else we talked about today:

• You can read more of Barrett’s research here and here.

• “Berkeley expert explains the wildland-urban interface: ‘We have to find a way to live with fire’” from SFGate

• “Huge western fires in 1910 changed U.S. wildfire policy. Will today’s conflagrations do the same?” from The Colorado Sun

• “As Wildfires Rage, California Presses Insurers to Cut Rates” from The New York Times

• “Californians moved to Oregon for affordable housing. Wildfires left them homeless” from the Los Angeles Times

• “Gig Economy Company Launches Uber, but for Evicting People” from Vice

• Finally, thanks to Amy Scott for joining us the past couple days! Find more of her reporting here.